Форумщики хип-хоп.ру, тонкие ценители хип хопа!!! Пожалуйста помогите, мне нужна статья или какой нить доклад, на тему топика, т.е что нибудь о правильном восприятии хип хоп культуры. Мне нужно донести это до больших голов, до больших дядек у которых естественно большие стереотипы по поводу этого. Можно на английском...

Я конечно могу написать и сам и напишу сам, но мне не хватает убедительности...т.е. мой доклад может бы и повлиял бы как то на молодежь, но не на лысых и пузатых дядек. Надеюсь на вашу помощь...

Нужна статья отражающая более позитивные стороны хип хопа, альтернатива движению hardcore/gangsta. В своем докладе я непременно упомяну о Native Tongues - A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul и the Jungle Brothers. Также думаю сюда можно включить Pete Rock & CL Smooth,Mos Def, Killah Priest, Gang Starr, Jeru The Damaja.

Пожалуйста не игнорируйте этот топик, очень нужна помощь..

тебе нужно форум законспектировать..

зы: не забудь упомянуть про ганжу как позитивную составляющую..

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Цитата от кещит :
тебе нужно форум законспектировать..

зы: не забудь упомянуть про ганжу как позитивную составляющую..

Законспектировать форум - этим я как раз щас и занимаюсь. Но может у кого то есть законченная статья, на английском, на русском не имеет значения. Ладно в любом случаи я буду сам все писать, просто этот форум единственное место во всем рунете где сидят компетентные хип хоп люди, и ни раз думаю писали что то подобное.

Мдяя почитал я тему "Принципы хип хопа" смело можно процентов 80 вырезать, гон сплошной...обидно..

Всё равно ты этих дядек не переуебишь
А чё это такое ваще будет?

на этом форуме 95% - один гон. тут полезного не хуй ловить.

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Цитата от Тэка :
на этом форуме 95% - один гон. тут полезного не хуй ловить.

Именно..... вчера всю ночь архивы подымал, и должен сказать что на самом деле так и есть...обидно ептать

копай форум глубже. рой три-четыре года назад.
И пробей тут темы про Африку Бамбату (Afrika Bambaataa). Да и ваще его по инету пазырь - у него есть свои мотивации, которые озвучивались задолго до Нэйтив Тонгов.

Также копни про фанк и джаз, как изначальную музыкальную основу. Найди серию тем под общим названием How About some...

И не забудь упомянуть многотысячный андыграунд, где люди сидят "ради дела, а не ради денег" (с) (Влад Валов)

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Цитата от RapperX :
"ради дела, а не ради денег" (с) (Влад Валов)

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Цитата от RapperX :
копай форум глубже. рой три-четыре года назад.
И пробей тут темы про Африку Бамбату (Afrika Bambaataa). Да и ваще его по инету пазырь - у него есть свои мотивации, которые озвучивались задолго до Нэйтив Тонгов.

Также копни про фанк и джаз, как изначальную музыкальную основу. Найди серию тем под общим названием How About some...

И не забудь упомянуть многотысячный андыграунд, где люди сидят "ради дела, а не ради денег" (с) (Влад Валов)

Большое человеческое спасибо!!! Насчет андеграунда безусловно я о нем напишу, ведь если брать наши дни то реально больше практически ничего и не остаеться..но естественно я буду брать общую картину.

вот вот! и мух отгоняй....

а можешь поподродней про лысых дядек и тётек? чё эт такое ваще? курсовую чтоли пишешь?

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Цитата от ДАСТ :
а можешь поподродней про лысых дядек и тётек? чё эт такое ваще? курсовую чтоли пишешь?

Это не курсавая, напишу более подробно чуть позже, скажу только что дядки и тетки эти - амэриканцы в перемешку с нашими...

Я вот тут почитал пару статей одной female DJ Kuttin Kandi, о которой я к сожилению никогда не слышал, особенно впечатлила вот эта статья - о правильном восприятии хип хопа.

Здесь она обращаеться к организаторам какого то пуэрториканского парада в программу которого должно было войти хип-хоп шоу...

I was unable to watch the program in which the President of the Board of Directors of the Puerto Rican Day Parade and the editor of the Stress magazine were in this morning. However, I have heard that it might be a possibilty that Hip-Hop could be banned from the Puerto Rican Day Parade. Is this true? If so, I have a few opinions that I would like to share with you. I know this letter is quite long, but I promise that you will change your mind about Hip-Hop or at least think about what I have said.

My name is Candice Custodio, I am a 24 year old Filipina and I go by the stage name DJ Kuttin Kandi. I have been deejaying for nearly 8 years but I have been a part of Hip-Hop culture almost all of my life. I am also a Hip-Hop spokeswoman and Hip-Hop advocate/activist. I have seen the ups and downs of Hip-Hop and I have experienced different sides of Hip-Hop. I would like to tell you now (if you don't already know) that there is a difference between Hip-Hop and Rap. There is a difference between MC's and "Rappers". "There is a real hip hop community" as what Christie Z-Pabon has stated in her letter to you. These artists with negative lyrics and their sleazy videos portraying women as hoes are not part of the culture that we call Hip-Hop. These artists that are so-called "representing" our Hip-Hop community aren't within our scene. They do not represent the culture that we live and die for, they do not represent me, they do not represent Hip-Hop. They represent "Rap". As much as it is said by so many artists such as
KRS-One - "Rap is the business and Hip-Hop is the culture", that line still hasn't stuck through anyone's mind. It needs to be established that there is a difference between Rap and Hip-Hop.

Rap is the business in which rappers needs to make music that will sell millions. What do you think all these big corporations and top record labels think sells? Sex. According to them, the media and society itself - Sex sells, drug sells, crime sells, the "thug life" sells. These record labels and these rap stars will do anything it takes to sell their music because that is the business of Rap. Well, as much as I don't want to take away the "hip-hop" out of Rap... the truth is, it just isn't Hip-Hop anymore. Hip-Hop did not start out as a way to sell millions, it started out as a means to survive the "thug life" of the streets. It was a way for those in the ghettos to express themselves in positive light and to lift themselves out of oppression. Today, "our Hip-Hop" can be heard all around the world, uniting people from different countries, cultures and backgrounds. I have been to positive Hip-Hop events where people from all around the world come together to share a common love. I myself, throw Hip-Hop events and I've been throwing my yearly Hip-Hop events for 7 years now. Throughout my 7 years as a Hip-Hop promoter, organizer and fundraiser coordinator I have never experienced one negative outcome from "our Hip-Hop community".

Half the time, I feel insulted when people associate me with those "rap" artists. I am not them and many of us in Hip-Hop are not them. I am tired of having to explain myself to those who do not understand the difference. This year, I have experienced the same thing with the Philippine Independence Day Committee. I, too wanted to organize a Hip-Hop stage during the Philippine Independence Day Parade and street fair which passed on June 3rd of this year. I had to go to several meetings, explain to the committee the history of Hip-Hop and what it is that we do. I had to explain the same exact facts that I am now explaining to you. I spoke for hours about the difference between Hip-Hop and Rap. I explained that Hip-Hop is shared by all different people of all parts of the world. I had to tell them "Yes, I'm Filipino and I am Hip-Hop." I had to tell them about all the positive things I have done within the community. I went to weekly meetings, spent money on phone calls, spent money on organizing this event, spent my time calling for sponsorships for them to tell me in the end that they didn't want this to happen anymore. And to top it all off they were too afraid to tell me themselves that they didn't want this happening at the parade, so they put the blame on the NYPD. They were telling me that the NYPD made statements that "hiphop causes violence and this can't happen at the parade". Whether that statement was ever really said by the NYPD, I will never know. However, the point is, is that I am so tired of everyone judging our culture without knowing the facts. If the media can at least get the facts and the knowledge straight, then I will give them every right to judge our culture. However, I haven't seen the media even try. It is the media's duty to get the facts out there for people like yourselves to know the difference between Hip-Hop and Rap and it is your duty as people of our community to research and spread the facts.

You need to know that there is a huge difference between Puff Daddy and Mos Def, there is a huge difference between Little Kim and Lauryn Hill, there is a huge difference between DMX and Common, there is a way big difference between a FunkMaster Flex and a DJ Roc Raider. People need to know these differences, because it is unfair to us that our culture is being exposed without ALL the facts. I'm not saying that artists like JayZ and Eminem shouldn't be in the limelight... all I'm saying is that artists like Bahamadia, Mountain Brothers, Planet Asia, etc... need to share the same spotlight. After all, they deserve that right because they exemplify HipHop for what it truly is meant to be.

What do you think our pioneers of Hip-Hop feel about the Hip-Hop that plays on our radio today? Pioneers like GrandMaster DXT (Scratches on Herbie Hancock "Rock It") disagree with so much of this violence and sex. He wouldn't even touch records that speaks with so much negativity. If these pioneers who created Hip-Hop don't even believe in all that Rap that exists today, what gives us the right to call that Hip-Hop? I, sure, wouldn't want to disrespect these pioneers... they are our fathers, they are the reason why Hip-Hop even exists. So, we need to start recognizing them and respecting their beliefs about our music.

We need to come together and hold a discussion. We need to come in peace with those who don't understand the difference. We need to hold a forum, a debate, a conference so that you can understand where we are coming from. I'm so tired of organizing events, trying to hold a party at a club, or trying to throw an outdoor show... and then having doors close on my face the minute I say the word "Hip-Hop". It is not right to judge me or the culture I so dearly love. It is my right to continue throwing Hip-Hop events, it is your wrong and anyone else's wrong to make "pre-emptive laws" that "hip-hop causes violence". It is unfair for society and the media to follow with the trend of Hip-Hop just because its popular without even knowing its history and its facts. If we continue to send the wrong information out, then our world will become just as corrupt as it is with today's rap industry.

When I come and talk to you, along with the many Hip-Hop activists within our community, we will tell you all that I am telling you now... There is that positive Hip-Hop community that exists. There is that community that comes to hip-hop events in peace. There is that feeling of unity when you go to a real live Hip-Hop show. If you ever go to the events in which I talk about, you will understand what I mean. You will see the positivity, you will feel the love, the support and the music in which care so much about. You will see that the same feeling you get when you go to a jazz fest is the same feeling, if not more, that you get when you go to a "real" Hip-Hop event. There are those artists who won't curse, who won't defame women and who won't portray Hip-Hop as violent as the media and society think it is today. Our Hip-Hop community does exist and you need to come out and witness it for yourself. It is unfair to me and the many positive Hip-Hop artists that do exist, that the media and the rest of society can judge the music and culture we have created. It is unjust that society can make "pre-emptive laws" that Hip-Hop causes violence without even knowing the facts.

There are so many underground Hip-Hop artists that have not received the respect that they deserve just because they're music doesn't speak of drugs, sex and violence. Part of the reason why they remain underground is because most of society doesn't want to hear positive things. In a way, society has become brainwashed by these record companies and the music that they put out on videos and on radio stations. They have been so brainwashed that you have people not just in ghettos, but in suburbs and nice neighborhoods... wanting to be thugs, wanting to be drug dealers, wanting to be pimps and hoes. We're so blinded that we continue to let this happen. We don't even see where its really coming from. We're so busy pointing fingers at these artists and closing doors in their faces, that we don't even see that it is our own fault that this is all happening. We're not doing our jobs properly. We're not doing enough to help our community.

You think, by not having Hip-Hop at the Puerto Rican Day Parade is going to end the violence, the sexism and the materialism? You think that by banning Hip-Hop they're going to stop their "wildings"? No, its not... you only make our children angrier and want them to listen to it even more. They're still going to have their same point of views about how men are pimps, women are sluts and shooting someone is the only solution in life. As long as all these radio stations and tv stations continue to play this type of negative music, society will continue to believe in all of its negative messages. By banning Hip-Hop, you're just closing your eyes because you don't want to see reality in your face. Reality is, is that they're going to continue doing negativity and their "wildings" with or without the Puerto Rican Day Parade. And who you really need to point your fingers at... are these record companies, these radio stations and television stations that allow this type of music to get to our children. You should also be pointing your fingers at parents who allow them to watch it and to behave as they do. These people are as much as to blame as these artists. It's just like drug dealers.... Not only should we be catching those local drug dealers, we should be going for the head honchos... the ones giving it to those small-time dealers. We need to do something, something to sway our children in the right direction. We need to fight back, not run away. By banning Hip-Hop you're running away from what we really need to face. Taking away something that people can relate to such as Hip-Hop is only going to make it worse. It's a chicken thing to do. Fight back, do whats right. Fight them back with what they can relate to most... and that is Hip-Hop.

Haven't you ever taken psychology? All you're going to do is build anger and hatred. Taking away what they love most will only build resentment and when society becomes resentful, something else will arise - something a lot more negative. Instead of closing our doors, we should be opening their eyes to new horizons by educating and embracing them with the positive Hip-Hop that does exist. Brainwash them towards the right direction, take them away from these pimps and hoes that brainwashed them in the first place. Show them Hip-Hop for what it really is, show them all the positive hip-hop women who respect themselves, show them Hip-Hop culture and blind them from Rap. So, please, know the difference, get the facts straight - Don't ban Hip-Hop.

Я думаю стоит отойти от темы..и развить этот топик дальше. Что думаете по этому поводу, я полностью согласен со статьей выше...

я надорвусь вычитывать эту статью, с моим-то знанием аглицкого

Парни, а есть у кого статейки по неправильному пониманию Хип-Хоп культуры?

Нет, но есть живые примеры извращенного понимания ХХ

По ним можно работу написать (если кому-то интересно)

по теме:

Я только не пойму чего автор статьи хочет?
Точнее, как она себе представляет?

Провести встречу с Ваякомом и внезапно на экранах телевизоров не Джа Рул и 50, а Коммон и Бахамадия?
и все моментально начинают любить хип хоп...
и наступает абсолютная любовь?

Это как?

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Цитата от Тэка :
на этом форуме 95% - один гон. тут полезного не хуй ловить.

По-любому... По этому и сижу я обычно только в одном разделе

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Цитата от Z(L)o :
по теме:

Я только не пойму чего автор статьи хочет?
Точнее, как она себе представляет?

Провести встречу с Ваякомом и внезапно на экранах телевизоров не Джа Рул и 50, а Коммон и Бахамадия?
и все моментально начинают любить хип хоп...
и наступает абсолютная любовь?

Это как?

Да ничто внезапно не происходит, для всего нужно время... А телевидение и радио будет всегда транслировать то что нравиться большинству.
И как я понял автор статьи акцентирует внимание на том что, большие головы считают хип хоп злом, собранием маньяков, шлюх и драг дилеров вина самих же их. И как было замечено в этой статье ничто так не ухудшает ситуацию, как полное равнодушие к ней.

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Цитата от Тэка :
на этом форуме 95% - один гон. тут полезного не хуй ловить.

В натуре одна хуйня а не сайт, одни евреи

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Цитата от Nunchak :
В натуре одна хуйня а не сайт, одни евреи

эхх были времена когда здесь все цвело и благоухало.Вообще... админы продайте мне этот домен...